Aujourd'hui la Chine

Je fais suite au lien donné par Daweide sur le Forum : "Aujourd'hui la Chine"

Merci pour ce lien.
J 'ai lu l'article publié par le site "http://wang888.skynetblogs.be", s'intitulant "Le site Aujourd'hui la Chine désinforme et provoque la haine de la Chine" à propos de l'article publié par le site "Aujourd'hui la Chine", s'intitulant "Une révolution chinoise est-elle envisageable ? à propos de "The jasmine révolution in China".

Je trouve "http://wang888.skynetblogs.be", un peu à charge.
Cependant, je suis d'accord avec "http://wang888.skynetblogs.be", sur le fait que le lieu " Wangfujing" utilisé pour illustrer les propos de "Aujourd'hui la Chine, n'est pas sufisamment significatif.

A bientôt.

Oui, C'est bien comme ca on a le droit aux extrêmes des deux côtés ... même si je suis plus à faire de la pub pour la Chine Aujourd'hui que Aujourd'hui la Chine

C'est sur que ce site est un peu "agressif", mais a un point de vu intéressant.

Je pense qu'il faut savoir se placer entre les deux... ne pas critiquer la Chine à tout va, mais ne pas fermer les yeux ni la bouches sur les vrais problèmes qui existent.

Concernant cette histoire de "révolution du jasmin" en Chine, je crois de plus en plus que c'est du vent...

Je suis d'acocrd avec toi Daweide. Je pense qu'il faut essayer d'être objectif.

A court terme, je ne pense pas que l'ensemble des conditions soient réunies et suffisantes pour un telle révolution en Chine.

Cependant, je pense que l'on va assister à court terme à quelques mouvements, agitations en Chine, mais rapidement controlés par le gouvernement chinois.

Comme par exemple récemment;

-le mot "Jasmin" censuré sur les téléphone portable et sur le web en Chine la semaine dernière(source BFM TV, Rue 89, http://blogs.mediapart.fr/blog/jordan-pouille/230211/en-chine-un-nouvel-appel-manifester).

-un journaliste de Bloomberg agressé par la sécurité à Pékin dimanche 27 février.
Source TV5 Monde.
http://www.tv5.org/cms/chaine-francophone/info/p-1911-Chine-un-journaliste-de-Bloomberg-agresse-par-la-securite-a-Pekin-dimanche.htm?&rub=4&xml=110228014526.2h93wsqt.xml

Au sujet de la manifestation à " Wangfujing" évoqué par le site ""http://wang888.skynetblogs.be", le mot envoyé par les organisateurs de cette manifestation a été modifié en "DeuxAssemblées" au lieu de "Jasmin" pour compliquer le travail des censeurs. (Source : Mediapart)

A bientôt,

Pour mieux comprendre ce mouvement qui appelle à la manifestation en Chine, voiçi la lettre qui circule sur le web appellant à manifetser une seconde fois, dimanche 28 février devant le Mac Donald de la rue Wangfujing à Shanghai. Un lieu qui n'a pas été choisi par hasard.
Une lettre diffusé sur des sites internet de Hong-Kong et Taiwan comme le site Human Rights in China: http://big5.hrichina.org/public/contents/press?revision_id=28700&item_id=28695

Impossible de trouver à ce jour, cette lettre sur un site situé en Chine populaire.

La lettre :
En Anglais : sur le site de "Human rights in China" : http://www.hrichina.org/public/contents/press?revision%5fid=192612&item%5fid=192610
En chinois sur ce même site : http://gb.hrichina.org/public/contents/28695


"Open Letter to the National People's Congress from the Organizers of the Chinese Jasmine Rallies

[English Translation by Human Rights in China]
First, we would like to thank every participant of the Jasmine Rallies. Your participation has already made the authoritarian government very nervous. Your presence has made the Chinese government understand that they must choose between these two paths:

1.The Chinese government will genuinely fight corruption and accept the supervision of the people.
2.Suppress popular protest, continue corruption, and continue to refuse the supervision of the people.
Every Chinese person with dreams hopes that China will become prosperous, rich, and powerful, that the people will not have to worry about food and clothing, that the government is upright and honest, and that the judiciary is impartial and just. But twenty years have passed [since the 1989 Democracy Movement], and what we are witnessing is a government that grows more corrupt by the day, government officials who collude with vested interests, and a citizenry that has not benefitted from the reform, opening up, and economic development. On the contrary, the people have to endure high goods and housing prices, and do not have health care, education, or benefits for the elderly. And what about ten years from now? Will we face a government even more corrupt? A judicial system even more opaque? Will vested interests give up their vested interest?

Every good and honest Chinese person, please think: So much public housing has been sold to individuals, so many state-owned enterprises and so much land have been sold, and nearly all state-owned property has been sold off. But where has all the money from these sales gone? It goes without saying that state-owned property belongs to the entire people. But what did the people get? Led by an authoritarian regime, the opaque process of privatization has made a small number of people rich, but what did the vast number of ordinary people get?

Every good and honest Chinese person, please think: When Japan, Korea, and Taiwan were in the process of industrializing, they were able to make the overwhelming majority of their people prosperous. Why is it that during China's industrialization the ordinary people are becoming poorer? Why is it that in just the last few decades China has gone from being a country with the smallest gap between the rich and the poor to one with the largest? It is because the unfair system has made a small number of people incredibly wealthy, and the vast majority of people remain poor.

Every good and honest Chinese person, please think: Every year the government uses public money to eat and drink, buy cars, visit foreign places, and raise salaries for officials; yet it doesn't have money to spend on health care, education, benefits for the elderly, or other basic needs. The vast majority of Chinese people do not have basic health care, education, or benefits for the elderly. Not to mention Europe, America, Japan, or Korea; our welfare system is far behind those of India, Russia, or Brazil. When other countries use the majority of their tax money for the welfare of their people, where does our tax money go?

Every good and honest Chinese person, please think: At present the renminbi ranks first among world currencies in terms of quantity in circulation. This serious “over-issuing” of currency has brought about a vicious cycle of inflation inside China. The excessive printing of currency is recklessly diluting the value of the people's wealth. Because the renminbi is not an international currency, it is China's ordinary citizens who are out of luck. The meager income of China's ordinary people must support goods and housing prices similar to those in Europe and America. On the one hand the government excessively prints money, and on the other hand it uses administrative means to keep housing prices low is this some sort of mockery?

Every good and honest Chinese person, please think: It is a matter of course that officials, when disclosing their wealth, should accept the supervision of the people, and that the government, when publishing details of tax revenues, should accept the supervision of the people. However, the Chinese people have no such power. We have been waiting for decades. Even if we wait for another ten years, we will not be able to get this kind of power. Should we keep on waiting? Are you willing to wait another 10 years, 20 years, 30 years?

In short, without pressure from the people, absolutely no authoritarian government would take the initiative to respect the people or accept the people's supervision. What we need to do now is to put pressure on the Chinese ruling party. If the party does not conscientiously fight corruption and accept the supervision of the people, then will it please exit the stage of history. We call upon each Chinese person who has a dream for China to bravely come out to take an afternoon stroll at two o'clock on Sundays to look around. Each person who joins in will make it clear to the Chinese ruling party that if it does not fight corruption, if the government does not accept their supervision, the Chinese people will not have the patience to wait any longer.

We do not necessarily have to overthrow the current government. As long as the government fights corruption, the government and officials accept the people's supervision, the government is sincere about solving the problems regarding judicial independence and freedom of expression and gives a timetable, we can give the ruling party time to solve the problems. We can call a stop to the strolling activities. We have been waiting for decades, if the government is sincere about solving the problem, we do not mind waiting a little longer. However, if the government is not sincere about solving the problems, but only wants to censor the Internet and block information to suppress the protests, the protests will only get stronger. As more and more people find out about “jasmine rallies,” there will definitely be more and more Chinese people joining in.

We don't care if we implement a one party system, a two party system, or even a three party system; but we are resolute in asking the government and the officials to accept the supervision of ordinary Chinese people, and we must have an independent judiciary. This is our fundamental demand.

We do not support violent revolution; we continue to support non-violent non-cooperation. We invite every participant to stroll, watch, or even just pretend to pass by. As long as you are present, the authoritarian government will be shaking with fear.

China belongs to every Chinese person, not to any political party. China's future will be decided by every person. We ask that the government and officials accept the supervision of the people, that the details of tax collection be published, and that taxes are genuinely "collected from the people, and used for the people." These basic requests are not the least bit excessive. For our country's future, for the fundamental rights of our children and future generations, please bravely come out. The Chinese people's thirst for freedom and democracy is unstoppable (as Wen Jiabao said during an interview on CNN).

If you are unable to participate in the strolls, please tell every Chinese person near you: We need an upright and honest government. We need the right to supervise government tax collection. We need the right to scrutinize officials' wealth. We need the right to publicly criticize the government. These are the fundamental rights of every Chinese person. Please tell every Chinese person near you: Non-violent non-cooperation is the only path for Chinese democratization. Please use word-of-mouth to break through the news blackout and come show your support.

The Chinese people rely on themselves to fight for their rights. We should not even dream that an authoritarian regime would take the initiative to award us these rights. Please join us in non-violent non-cooperation to make the Chinese government respect the basic rights of the Chinese people.

Time: Every Sunday starting on February 20, 2011 at 2 pm. (If the Chinese government is sincere about solving problems such as corruption and public supervision, we will send out a notice stopping the action.)

Rally Locations:
Beijing: in front of the McDonald's on Wangfujing Street
Shanghai: in front of Peace Cinema at People's Square
Tianjin: below the Drum Tower
Nanjing, [Jiangsu Province]: the entrance of Silk Street Department Store at the Drum Tower Square
Xi'an, [Shaanxi Province]: the entrance of Carrefour on Beida Street
Chengdu, [Sichuan Province]: under the Statue of Chairman Mao at Tianfu Square
Changsha, [Hunan Province]: the entrance of Xindaxin Building at Wuyi Square
Hangzhou, [Zhejiang Province]: the entrance of Hangzhou Department Store at Wulin Square
Guangzhou, [Guangdong Province]: in front of the Starbucks at the People's Park
Shenyang, [Liaoning Province]: in front of the KFC at North Nanjing Street
Changchun, [Jilin Province]: in front of Corogo Supermarket at Democratic Avenue of West Culture Square
Harbin, [Heilongjiang Province]: in front of Harbin Cinema
Wuhan, [Hubei Province]: in front of the McDonald's at Jiefang Avenue and the World Trade Plaza

People who are in cities not listed here, please go to the central square of your city.

We ask websites to help spread this statement, thank you!

One of the organizers of China Jasmine Rallies (Posted on Boxun by a friend on February 21, 2011.)"

Je viens de lire le texte en anglais ; je trouve beaucoup de bon sens et de modération dans le propos...

Voilà la réponse des autorités chinoises :

D'après un universtaire américain, il y a plus de cyberattaque contre la Chine que de cyberattaque contre l'Occident.
Mais les médias français ne parlent pas de cyberattaque contre la Chine.

Les peuples arabes se sont révoltés sans que personne vient leur demander de manifester.
Le peuple chinois aussi est capable de se révolter sans que personne vient leur demander de manifester .
Qui sont les gens qui appellent à la manifestation en Chine ? Pourquoi l'ont-ils fait ?

Les ennemis et les détracteur de la Chine sont très actifs, toutes les occasions sont bonnes pour eux pour mener des actions anti-chinoises, de destabiliser, de démanteler de la Chine.
Quel autre pays au monde qui a subi aussi toutes formes d'attaques ?

en ce qui concerne alc,je confirme c'est un site pro tout ce que vous voulez mais 100 °/° anti chinois.leurs pseudo reportage sont très orientés.
d'ailleurs le site grouille de pub pour des livres ou autres liens antichinois.
conseillé seulement aux sinophiles maso.

Le texte est effectivement intéressant, et très modéré .Il demande simplement plus d'honnêteté et de probité de la part du gouvernement, un meilleur partage des richesses, une considération plus grande du peuple.Ce n'est en aucun cas un appel à la violence !!!

Pour ce qui concerne ALC, je suis d'accord avec Liyan C ... C'est un site antichinois en premier lieu, bizarrement empreint de parisianisme ...

D'ailleurs pourquoi sont-ils autant antichinois? c'est politique ou c'est autre chose?

C'est bizarre ce revirement, soit il y a 2 "aujourd'hui la Chine", soit je ne comprends plus rien, car j'ai même trouvé des sujets très intéressants et redorant l'image de la Chine...

Parle-t'on du même ?

PS : douteux, je suis aller voir. Même logo mais bizarrement pas les mêmes infos en effet, comme s'ils choisissaient les articles qu'ils publiaient sur FB... Bizarre ça...

PS bis : suffit de voir leurs partenaires pour savoir qu'ils ne sont pas sains : "TF1"